[gnu.org #351798] Unacceptable behavior of Malayalam coordinator and www-ml administrator

[Praveen A]

2008/7/1 Yavor Doganov via RT <web-translators at gnu.org>:
> vivekcherian at gmail.com via RT wrote:
>>
>> I object to appointing Shyam as the Malayalam language
>> Co-Ordinator.
>
> Please give valid reasons, including, but not limited to:
>
> 1) He has a poor understanding of our philosophy and the core values
>   of the free software movement;

On the contrary, he has shown he has good understanding of the
philosophy in many occasions like in his blog
http://swatantran.blogspot.com/ and many of the discussion lists
including this recent one
http://groups.google.com/group/vivaravicharam/browse_thread/thread/38a0b2b6f919b446
(discussion in Malayalam)

He is a member of FSF #6034

> 2) He has subtle problems with working in a team, let alone organizing
>   it;
He has been active with Swathanthra Malayalam Computing and worked
well with other members of the gnu.org Malayalam translation team.
> 3) He doesn't know:
>   3a) English well
You can evaluate his skills reading his blog
>   3b) Malayalam well
again his blogs and participation in email lists shows he has good
grasp of the language.
>   3c) is a very poor translator

So far he has translated more gnu.org articles (4 articles) than any
other member in the team

you can verify it http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/WWW-ML
> 4) Doesn't have and is unwilling to learn basic technical skills, like
>   simple usage of coreutils/findutils/cvs/grep/etc.

He was selected for google summer of code program and developed a
speech recognition system for Malayalam.
> 5) Doesn't know how to communicate, e.g. doesn't know how to compose/send
>   e-mail or other necessary forms of electronic communication.
>
No problems here also.
>> he is really enthusiastic at this point about GNU Malayalam L10N and
>> also Free Software
>
> In fact, you acknowledge that he is suitable as a coordinator at least
> in this aspect.
>
>> but I have stated time and time again there is no need for a new
>> Malayalam language co-rodinator now
>
> As I said several times in this discussion (and in private as well),
> if the other Malayalam contributors have lost trust in you and they
> don't want you as a leader, you don't have a choice.  We can impose
> them the decision of reaffirming you as a co-ordinator, but that would
> be utterly wrong.  Teams cannot possibly work this way, so you have
> one way to regain trust in the Free World: work as much as possible,
> and as good as possible.  People will start believing in you and your
> abilities then.
>
> As I said several times in our previous exchange, the position of a
> gnu.org translation team leader is no specific privilege; it only
> means more work for the person and more responsibility (and more
> annoying mail from the web-translators coordinators).  If you care
> about the GNU Project and Malayalam, you should be happy with any team
> leader as long as things are moving on in the right direction.  And
> you should contribute actively for this regardless of the fact whether
> you're the current leader or not.  This is what I expect from people
> who really *care*.
>
>> as I have done nothing against the GNU principles to be removed as
>> the GNU Malayalan Language Co-Ordinator.
>
> The "GNU principles" do not say that you can maintain a project for
> 3.5 years achieving nothing.  If other contributors complain, which is
> the case, and they ask for a change, which I find something
> reasonable, it should be no surprise to anyone.
>
>> This is a plot by Praveen and Anivar along with Anwar to remove me
>> from the Co-ordinator ship of the GNU Malayalam Project and control
>> it using Shyam (who is already a SMC project member) as a decoy.
>
> We are reiterating old discussions.  If you suspect a conspiracy
> against you, I already told you how to deal with it.  This place is
> not a court, and most (all?) of the accusations are hard to prove even
> in a real court.  Our task is to figure out what is the right thing to
> do, and to try to do it.
>
>> They are also trying to play a physcological game by driving a rift
>> between me and my good friend Shyam by pitting us against each
>> other.
>
> How is this at all possible?  You said Shyam is a good friend of
> yours, so I can't understand how two good friends could spoil their
> friendship fighting for a position that is mostly an administrative
> and technical burden?
>
>> King Maker Anivar's
>
> I suggest that you refrain from calling names.  Whatever your
> bitter interaction/experience with Anivar was before, the first and
> most important thing for a gnu.org team co-ordinator is to respect
> other people.
>
> This doesn't make your statement more authoritative, quite on the
> contrary.
>
>> GNU Malayalam locatisation
>
> Another thing which I've said before: please stop calling the `www-ml'
> project this way.  GNU is an operating system and the localization of
> the various programs, libraries and documentation (many of them are
> not even GNU packages) is not and is not going to be handled by
> `www-ml'.  The `www-LANG' projects are projects for translating
> gnu.org essays and articles -- nothing more, nothing less.
>
>
>
>



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