[smc-discuss] Facebook and Google spy on you

[Akshay S Dinesh]

Oh, didn't reach the end of page before I sent that.
With all that interfaces talking to each other, there'll be a lot of
loopholes for them to take our chats away, right?

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Akshay S Dinesh <asdofindia at gmail.com>
wrote:

> WhatsAPI and WhatsApp are arch enemies (is what I thought).
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Anivar Aravind <anivar.aravind at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Pirate Praveen <praveen at onenetbeyond.org
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday 19 November 2014 11:43 AM, Anivar Aravind wrote:
>>> >
>>> >     Open Whisper Systems partners with WhatsApp to provide end-to-end
>>> >     encryption
>>> >
>>> > https://whispersystems.org/blog/whatsapp/
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > A comment on that post
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The client sees the data. The app sees the data since the app does the
>>> > encryption. If they gather all they need, keywords, patterns, location
>>> > data etc from the message at the app level and send it to whatsapp
>>> > server, whatsapp can claim that their servers cannot see your messages
>>> > in the literal sense, but they pretty much are not giving up anything.
>>> > They simply moved their user data collection from server to the app.
>>> >
>>> > If you text "got some new lingerie at macy's" They can still profile
>>> you
>>> > as a female, probably 25-35 age group in XXX city, income likely at 40
>>> -
>>> > 80 K unmarried, shops at macys or equivalent.
>>> >
>>> > If your next text is "cost me 200$" your income will be revised from
>>> > 40-80 to 60 - 100 K
>>> >
>>> > That is big data. Continuously learning about a users interests by
>>> their
>>> > messages. After a year they will know more about you more than your
>>> > husband or friend does.
>>> >
>>> > All this so that they can sell the same to advertisers. Your profile
>>> > data is passed along btw sites as tracking cookies and everyone knows
>>> to
>>> > show you lingerie ads instead of golf gear.
>>> >
>>> > Now they identify you with a number instead of a name. Example user no
>>> > xxxxx instead of sylvie. Now they can claim we only collect anonymized
>>> > data. But remember they can clearly tie you to different machines you
>>> > use and places you usually are at.
>>> >
>>> > This is why whatsapp was bought for 20 billion dollars. For the 1
>>> > billion messages sent per month that lest them study their usage
>>> patterns.
>>> >
>>>
>>> This is great news! The issue of app is an easier problem to solve and
>>> we are expert at - reverse engineering and building Free Software apps
>>> that don't track. In this case TextSecure is already an open protocol
>>> and it already has Free Software clients, so all we need to do is choose
>>> a Free Software app for whatsapp. The harder part was the network/users
>>> and that is won!
>>>
>>
>>
>> Looks like they are in the process of building a oauth based client at
>> https://web.whatsapp.com/
>>
>> take a look at *https://github.com/mgp25/WhatsAPI-Official/wiki/WhatsApp-incoming-updates
>> <https://github.com/mgp25/WhatsAPI-Official/wiki/WhatsApp-incoming-updates>
>> *
>>
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