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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This works if we only want to eliminate the preceding circle in one
of vowel-sign/anusvaram/visargam.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>How do we get to write if two of these are adjacent to one
another?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Example: If we want the anusvaram is preceded immediately by the
vowel sign, the ZWJ + </span><span lang=ML style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Kartika","serif";color:#1F497D'>ാ </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>+ ZWJ + </span><span lang=ML
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Kartika","serif";color:#1F497D'>ം </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>does
not seem to work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Example: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><img width=231 height=96 id="Picture_x0020_1"
src="cid:image001.png@01C8E4D9.46F84110"></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Also, it is common in English to write “Ahhhh…”, “Wooo Hooo”,
“Eeee” to express certain emotions. The way most of the similar expressions are
done in Malayalam is to extend the vowel sound at the end of a word, or
extending the vowel at the end of a single stand-alone word.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>For example,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ML style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Kartika","serif";
color:#1F497D'>ഹാാാാാ... (</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>laughter/showing pain)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ML style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Kartika","serif";
color:#1F497D'>േേേേഠ... (</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>sound of a gun)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ML style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Kartika","serif";
color:#1F497D'>പോകൂൂൂൂൂൂ! (</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Go!)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
indic-bounce@unicode.org [mailto:indic-bounce@unicode.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>cibu
cj<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 07, 2008 5:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rajeev J Sebastian<br>
<b>Cc:</b> indic@unicode.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [indic] Re: Displaying indic vowel sign independant of a
consonant<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Thanks Rajeev!<br>
<br>
<zwj + vowel-sign/anusvaram/visargam> seems to be working in XP.<br>
<br>
Cibu<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian <<a
href="mailto:rajeev.sebastian@gmail.com">rajeev.sebastian@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Typical way to do this is
space+zwj+vowel-sign/anusvaram/visargam. We<br>
have implemented this, and I believe its already part of the Unicode<br>
standard.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<span style='color:#888888'>Rajeev J Sebastian</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:46 AM, cibu cj <<a href="mailto:cibucj@gmail.com">cibucj@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Once in a while I get the request to display vowel sign or anuswara<br>
> sign independent of any consonant. My understanding was that<br>
> <non-breaking-space, combining mark> will do the trick. Apparently,
that<br>
> does not in Windows XP where I tried. The dotted circle is always there.
Is<br>
> this a bug or lack of specs?<br>
><br>
> Also, there is need for writing indic combining marks independent without
a<br>
> space before it. Please see this dictionary scan. The highlighted cluster
is<br>
> <Malayalam U, en dash, Malayalam anuswara>.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Cibu<br>
><o:p></o:p></p>
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