[smc-discuss] Re: FSFS conference - some issues which are not raised.

Tue Dec 16 22:30:07 PST 2008

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Murali Paramu <ipmurali at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Ratheesh,
>
> Self criticize then criticize others.

I agree with you +1.

>
>
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> On Dec 16, 10:15 pm, "Anivar Aravind" <anivar.arav... at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 3:29 PM, ashik salahudeen <aash... at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi , I am a community member who was present at the venue.
> >
> > >> 1. widespread use of proprietoty packages(like MS office, VISTA) at
> > >> the conference. i think nobody resisted this at the conference venue
> > > This , as the organizers have already pointed out the ilug-tvm
> > > mailinglist , was a mistake on their part. IMHO though , we shouldn't
> > > force our opinions on anyone.  Be it a speaker
> >
> > Just 2 Corrections : I came to know from other lists thats 2 instances
> > of Windows xp usage was happened and Organizers apologised for it
> >
> > 1. At Technology Presentation (for Java FX)
> > 2. At Exhibition (One laptop in SBT Stall)
> >
> > 1. These 2 instances is not Qualifying to call the term "widespread" .
> > You can call it as some usage.
> > 2. Sunil from ilug-tvm raised the point on Technology track. so
> > Community already raised it. The failure is from the Organisers. They
> > also apologised for it
> >
> > >> 2. regarding the sponsors - there were sponsors like smartcity. what
> > >> is the role of smart city here at FSFS. they are all the way promoting
> > >> all the proprietory people in a big way at all the parks promoted by
> > >> them.
> >
> > > I am not for or against smart city. But i am curious as to who all are
> > > the proprietory companies being promoted by smart city.
> >
> > I agree that Real estate Companies like smart city is no way related
> > with Free Software. Th smart city some values exactly against "Free
> > Society"  Idea. I believe SEZs like smart city is not needed for
> > Technological Development. It becomes mandatory for Proprietary
> > software Development. But for Free Software Development it is
> > optional. I was involved personally with Campaign against smartcity
> > earlier because of the reason raised at
> > <http://smartsez.movingrepublic.org/statement-on-smartcity-sez-cochin-...>
> This discussion may be offtopic in this list. But in Relation to
> >
> > this event. Govt Of Kerala controlled the financial part(ie selected
> > sponsors). The process was controlled by other Organizers and FS
> > activists. If you are opposing smartcities involvement in the
> > conference I am fully supporting you for the protest against Govt of
> > Kerala for taking smartcity money for its free software conference
> >
> >
> >
> > >> 3. the amount of money spent for the seminar. i came to know that the
> > >> total expenditure of the event is around 80 lakhs. i understand that
> > >> the government has spent huge money for the event.. then why spnsors
> > >> like smart city? what is the result of this huge expenditure? was it
> > >> an event for some guys to "become smart"
> >
> > > They ( organizers ) are planning for an open audit , with community
> > > members included. Already this has been announced in ilug-tvm
> > > mailinglist, where the issue was raised.
> >
> > I hope this is agood step towards transparency :-)
> >
> > >> 5. at the linux install fest at exhibition hall, there were
> > >> advertisements of Novel and Suselinux. Why no body objected it. i
> > >> understand that this stall was organised by lug - trivandrum. i
> > >> remember the big protest happened at CUSAT conference
> >
> > > Since SMC's stall operated next to FSUG tvm ( ilug-tvm) stall and i
> > > was manning the stall for two days , i can confirm that Novell and
> > > Suse were not seen anywhere on the premises. This is either based on
> > > hearsay or is a blatant lie. The only Suse present was inside the
> > > Freedom Toaster.
> >
> > Is it OpenSuSE or suse?
> > I Hope it will be removed soon
> >
> >
> >
> > >> 6. Many glamourous speakers were not from FOSS community. One of the
> > >> main speakers is running a company which has most of their development
> > >> is Microsoft ( and they are a partner of microsoft). why nobody
> > >> noticed it.
> >
> > > Free and Open Source doesn't mean Non Microsoft . There are many FOSS
> > > applications that run on Microsoft Windows. Iam curious as to who this
> > > main speaker is. If you are hinting at Neville Roy Singham ( Cheif of
> > > Thoughtworks ) i think you havent heard his keynote or do not know
> > > much about Thoughtworks. wikipedia says " ThoughtWorks is a global IT
> > > consultancy which focuses on Agile software development. The company
> > > has contributed a range of open source products, including
> > > CruiseControl, NUnit 2.0, and Selenium"  . I will upload relevant
> > > parts of it to youtube over the weekend.
> > >> my basic doubt is that, what our key people including anivar were
> > >> silent there.
> > > Anivar did raise his concern when the situation demanded it.
> >
> > At first I dont see my self as a "Key Person" . second thing I was not
> > silent. I was talking a lot of people coming to SMC stall & meeting
> > and discussing various issues with friends from Free Software
> > Community. I raised all the issues I wanted to raise on time. And It
> > will be undemocratic if you decide what I should raise.
> >
> > > i am having a great admiration towards our members who
> > >> present there. but no body resisted. are we fearing somebody. Or are
> > >> we trying to please somebody. it looks very suspecious.
> >
> > Why dont you show up while A lot of SMC members are there? . If you
> > raised some convincing reasons  with us. we can raise it in a good
> > way.
> >
> > >>The champs who
> > >> made big noices and protests earlier were all silent here. what does
> > >> it mean? the ealier protests were all "just media show". I wonder.
> >
> > SMC  never done any public protests. If you mean some of the smc
> > members protested at Kochi Conference The reasons are well listed in
> > my blog. You also didn't raised any convincing reasons for protesting
> > in FSFS yet. And If you are there and concerned with SMC's position
> > why dont you approched any of us.
> >
> > >> can't blame the organisers. they are goverment officials. but what
> > >> about our volunteers
> >
> > I didn't get your point? do you mean we have to protest against our
> volunteers?
> >
> > Anivar
> >
> > --
> > Any responsible politician should be encouraging a home grown Free
> > Software industry because it creates the basis for future jobs.
> > Learning Windows is like learning to eat every meal at McDonalds.
> >
>

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