[smc-discuss] Re: FSFS conference - some issues which are not raised.

[Murali Paramu]

Ratheesh,

Self criticize then criticize others.


On Dec 16, 10:15 pm, "Anivar Aravind" <anivar.arav... at gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 3:29 PM, ashik salahudeen <aash... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi , I am a community member who was present at the venue.
>
> >> 1. widespread use of proprietoty packages(like MS office, VISTA) at
> >> the conference. i think nobody resisted this at the conference venue
> > This , as the organizers have already pointed out the ilug-tvm
> > mailinglist , was a mistake on their part. IMHO though , we shouldn't
> > force our opinions on anyone.  Be it a speaker
>
> Just 2 Corrections : I came to know from other lists thats 2 instances
> of Windows xp usage was happened and Organizers apologised for it
>
> 1. At Technology Presentation (for Java FX)
> 2. At Exhibition (One laptop in SBT Stall)
>
> 1. These 2 instances is not Qualifying to call the term "widespread" .
> You can call it as some usage.
> 2. Sunil from ilug-tvm raised the point on Technology track. so
> Community already raised it. The failure is from the Organisers. They
> also apologised for it
>
> >> 2. regarding the sponsors - there were sponsors like smartcity. what
> >> is the role of smart city here at FSFS. they are all the way promoting
> >> all the proprietory people in a big way at all the parks promoted by
> >> them.
>
> > I am not for or against smart city. But i am curious as to who all are
> > the proprietory companies being promoted by smart city.
>
> I agree that Real estate Companies like smart city is no way related
> with Free Software. Th smart city some values exactly against "Free
> Society"  Idea. I believe SEZs like smart city is not needed for
> Technological Development. It becomes mandatory for Proprietary
> software Development. But for Free Software Development it is
> optional. I was involved personally with Campaign against smartcity
> earlier because of the reason raised at
> <http://smartsez.movingrepublic.org/statement-on-smartcity-sez-cochin-...> This discussion may be offtopic in this list. But in Relation to
>
> this event. Govt Of Kerala controlled the financial part(ie selected
> sponsors). The process was controlled by other Organizers and FS
> activists. If you are opposing smartcities involvement in the
> conference I am fully supporting you for the protest against Govt of
> Kerala for taking smartcity money for its free software conference
>
>
>
> >> 3. the amount of money spent for the seminar. i came to know that the
> >> total expenditure of the event is around 80 lakhs. i understand that
> >> the government has spent huge money for the event.. then why spnsors
> >> like smart city? what is the result of this huge expenditure? was it
> >> an event for some guys to "become smart"
>
> > They ( organizers ) are planning for an open audit , with community
> > members included. Already this has been announced in ilug-tvm
> > mailinglist, where the issue was raised.
>
> I hope this is agood step towards transparency :-)
>
> >> 5. at the linux install fest at exhibition hall, there were
> >> advertisements of Novel and Suselinux. Why no body objected it. i
> >> understand that this stall was organised by lug - trivandrum. i
> >> remember the big protest happened at CUSAT conference
>
> > Since SMC's stall operated next to FSUG tvm ( ilug-tvm) stall and i
> > was manning the stall for two days , i can confirm that Novell and
> > Suse were not seen anywhere on the premises. This is either based on
> > hearsay or is a blatant lie. The only Suse present was inside the
> > Freedom Toaster.
>
> Is it OpenSuSE or suse?
> I Hope it will be removed soon
>
>
>
> >> 6. Many glamourous speakers were not from FOSS community. One of the
> >> main speakers is running a company which has most of their development
> >> is Microsoft ( and they are a partner of microsoft). why nobody
> >> noticed it.
>
> > Free and Open Source doesn't mean Non Microsoft . There are many FOSS
> > applications that run on Microsoft Windows. Iam curious as to who this
> > main speaker is. If you are hinting at Neville Roy Singham ( Cheif of
> > Thoughtworks ) i think you havent heard his keynote or do not know
> > much about Thoughtworks. wikipedia says " ThoughtWorks is a global IT
> > consultancy which focuses on Agile software development. The company
> > has contributed a range of open source products, including
> > CruiseControl, NUnit 2.0, and Selenium"  . I will upload relevant
> > parts of it to youtube over the weekend.
> >> my basic doubt is that, what our key people including anivar were
> >> silent there.
> > Anivar did raise his concern when the situation demanded it.
>
> At first I dont see my self as a "Key Person" . second thing I was not
> silent. I was talking a lot of people coming to SMC stall & meeting
> and discussing various issues with friends from Free Software
> Community. I raised all the issues I wanted to raise on time. And It
> will be undemocratic if you decide what I should raise.
>
> > i am having a great admiration towards our members who
> >> present there. but no body resisted. are we fearing somebody. Or are
> >> we trying to please somebody. it looks very suspecious.
>
> Why dont you show up while A lot of SMC members are there? . If you
> raised some convincing reasons  with us. we can raise it in a good
> way.
>
> >>The champs who
> >> made big noices and protests earlier were all silent here. what does
> >> it mean? the ealier protests were all "just media show". I wonder.
>
> SMC  never done any public protests. If you mean some of the smc
> members protested at Kochi Conference The reasons are well listed in
> my blog. You also didn't raised any convincing reasons for protesting
> in FSFS yet. And If you are there and concerned with SMC's position
> why dont you approched any of us.
>
> >> can't blame the organisers. they are goverment officials. but what
> >> about our volunteers
>
> I didn't get your point? do you mean we have to protest against our volunteers?
>
> Anivar
>
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> Software industry because it creates the basis for future jobs.
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