[smc-discuss] ചില്ലക്ഷരങ്ങളുടെ രാഷ്ട്രീയം

[Jayadevan Raja]

@Jinesh: Interoperability with unicode can be achieved with an
encoding-converter. Also, we can use some name like "ഒരുകോഡ്" (Orucode) for
the alternative standard for Unicode.

It seems from the replies that many people are interested in ending the
> dictatorship in standardisation (pun is intended!).
>
> Since we have the example of Unicode in front of us, we will be able to
> develop a standard, by studying what the Idiosyncrasies and blemishes of
> Unicode are. In particular, we will be able to develop the 16-bit standard
> originally Unicode intended, by avoiding the pitfalls Unicode has fallen
> into.
>
> If we start from scratch, the following changes can make the standard
> better than Unicode:
> (1) Disallowing composite characters (Like decomposing Chinese into the
> basic radicals)
> (2) Removing the historical inaccuracies in naming (Eg: In Unicode,
> Hindu-Arabic numerals are placed in the section 'Basic Latin' just for
> compatibility with ASCII. We know that these were the contributions of
> Indians, and not Romans).
>
> If we start from scratch, with encoding-converters for mitigating any
> compatibility issues, a single width, 16-bit standard can house all the
> needed characters. But for success, this would have to be a "High Priority
> Project". And, since we have made "Gnu Not Unix", we  will be able to make "
> ** Not Unicode" (With something in the place of ** )"!
>




2011/1/21 Jinesh K J <jinesh at jinsbond.in>

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> hi Anil,
>
>
> > Good suggestion Praveen except for few distortions.
> >
> > Why should we rely on Unicode-5.0. The hegemony, or so called
> 'dictatorship'
> > was there even in the formation of Unicode-5.0. The role of control
> > characters (ZWJ and ZWNJ) in conjuncts or chillu formation of a
> particular
> > language, as in the case of Malayalam in Unicode-5.0,  is not acceptable.
> It
> > is a design fault of Unicode, which was made acceptable through market
> > hegemony of few MNCs.
> >
> > A community initiated standard should have a better design. Let us start,
> >
>
> We have to do a better design, but I believe we should ensure
> interoperability with Unicode too(It is possible for two standards to
> exist in the world). Pure democratic rhetoric might not help a lot of
> people to switch to what we propose, but the idea of not breaking the
> language while encoding script should give people some idea.
>
> What we need to follow, what errors to be corrected all have to be
> discussed in deep and as Praveen said democratically. Problems with
> Malayalam are visible because an active community is there to look at
> changes and notifying people of their worries. For many languages,
> people follow the simple easiest job of following what Unicode prescribes.
>
> If we decide just majority of those who participate in discussions as
> scale for resolving conflicts, i think it will just end up as another
> UTC. We should be able to evaluate the proposals over their merit, may
> even should be able to constitute committees of experts(may be different
> committee for different "languages"). This discussion is a great first
> step.
>
> I will suggest "Open Unicode" as the name of the project. I dont know
> whether consortium has rights over the name unicode whether they have
> registered it. It they have, we can go for common code too. It depends
> on whether we want to fork or start from scratch. Both are kind of
> tedious jobs and the efforts of a handful of people and some companies
> who lead in the tech world really made the advance unicode did possible.
> So, we surely need a focused working group to handle the matter.
>
> Regards
> Jinesh K J
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Thanking You,
Jayadevan V
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