[smc-discuss] [fsug-tvm] Free Software and Open Source (was Re:Open Mobile Workshop)
nikhil nambiar
nikhilnambiarcm at gmail.com
Sun Mar 2 04:37:23 PST 2014
Hello,
Abid from Mozilla India wrote to me asking for speakers and permission
to use logo.
>From Abid
<snip>
We already published the posters and 2 banners in the campus.
Now I came to know that Indu is not in Space now.
So, I think must ask your permission to use the space logo in posters
and banners.
If you have any suggestions related to that, please mail me.
I will try to update it in everywhere we can remove the logo.
</snip>
As I was was outside trivandrum i checked and replayed today only. I
told our concern with the
positioning of the program and requested them to make it along the
lines in which we organised
program in Vattiyoorkavu polytech.
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Ashik Salahudeen <aashiks at aashiks.in> wrote:
>
> I believe Hrishi’s email was a tongue in the cheek response to Ganesh’s
> previous email. Having said that, I have a few points to make here.
>
> I thought when someone (Ganesh, with "SPACE" in his email signature)
> levels accusations at a self sustaining organization like SMC (who has
> walked the walk - writing and releasing Free and Open Source Software )
> they'd have examined their backyard a bit more closely.
>
> Nikhil, are you saying that SPACE is not a collaborator of the WoMoz
> program ? Or that SPACE has no idea someone used their logo ? Or that the
> organizers of that program made an announcement without your knowledge ?
>
> Because i found this :
>
> http://blog.mozillakerala.org/2014/02/empower-womoz/
>
> Quoting :
>
> <quote>
>
> The event was handled by 4 volunteers from SPACE and 2 volunteers from
> Mozilla Kerala.
>
> Arun M (Executive Director | SPACE, Kerala)
>
> Nikhil C M (Project Manager | SPACE, Kerala)
>
> Indu Reghunath (Senior Software Engineer | SPACE, Kerala)
>
> Sairath N (Software Engineer | SPACE, Kerala)
>
> </quote>
>
> Are you saying that you guys have no idea about this program as well ?
> Because I think its your name there.
>
> Further (to stoop down to Ganesh's level - to make arguments and berate
> and belittle programs that benefit community) - ""The mission of the WoMoz
> Project, “is to promote and involve more women in the FLOSS world”, and in
> Mozilla’s terms, it is to increase the awareness of Mozilla’s programs and
> web issues that regard to women, especially, regarding the privacy of women
> using the Internet.""
>
> In summary -
>
> * Ganesh, you have some serious questions to ask yourself about your
> employer, and possibly to your employer. It is entirely up to you though.
> * Ganesh/Nikhil/SPACE do make a clear stance and stick to it. Make FOSS,
> rather than make war about terminology. Open Source is a synonym for Free
> Software, at least in Kerala. What you can do for organizations like SMC,
> WMoz and Mozilla is far more important.
>
> --
>
> Aashik
>
>
> On 2 March 2014 16:19, nikhil nambiar <nikhil at space-kerala.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear Hrishi,
>>
>> SPACE is not aware of this programme. We will check with the organisers.
>> SPACE will not promote any programme with Open Source ideology or
>> propitiatory software.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Hrishi <hrishi.kb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Ganesh,
>>>
>>> when I saw this poster on mozilla kerala's official facebook page[1] [I
>>> am attaching the poster with this mail], this discussion came into my mind.
>>>
>>> Since this is co-hosted by your Employer SPACE, an organization started
>>> to promote Free Software, i thought about posting it on same thread. (
>>> excuse me if SPACE is only putting a stall on the program venue ) Take a
>>> look at the technologies and tools covered in the event. It is all about
>>> Open source(with trade marked logo) .
>>>
>>> The real issue is about the perspective. Here I don't see Libre or
>>> Swathanthra perspective which SPACE suppose to endorse. And this is
>>> happening as a part of SPACE's 10th anniversary programs which
>>> is inaugurated by none other than RMS. On the inaugural speech he clearly
>>> spelled out the differences between the movements . SPACE is not willing to
>>> take ethical position for free software shared by RMS on his speech.
>>>
>>> The poster is all about Open Source, there is nothing about Free
>>> software and Free software movement. and why github is there? they should
>>> teach git , not github - afaik most of the code used to run github is
>>> Proprietary. (or they could have introduced gitlabs or gitorious). The term
>>> Open itself it's eliminating Freedom. like you said - it will be good to do
>>> a homework study in our future programs on before becoming part of any
>>> program.;).
>>>
>>> This mail is not about teaching open source. - its not about teaching
>>> free software. It is about practicing what you are preaching. If you
>>> are concerned about it . please tell you employer to change the focus of
>>> this event .
>>>
>>> [1] - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=527731364011923&set=a.399607260157668.1073741828.290667851051610&type=1&theater><https://etherpad.mozilla.org/ep/search?query=527731364011923&set>
>>> =527731364011923&set<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=527731364011923&set=a.399607260157668.1073741828.290667851051610&type=1&theater><https://etherpad.mozilla.org/ep/search?query=a.399607260157668.1073741828.290667851051610&type>
>>> =a.399607260157668.1073741828.290667851051610&type<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=527731364011923&set=a.399607260157668.1073741828.290667851051610&type=1&theater><https://etherpad.mozilla.org/ep/search?query=1&theater>
>>> =1&theater<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=527731364011923&set=a.399607260157668.1073741828.290667851051610&type=1&theater>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:17 AM, ganesh h <ganeshredcobra at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's a welcome move from ICFOSS. Now its victory from the community
>>>> side and community still has it's strength. In future also community
>>>> members must raise their concerns to prevent misuse of community name.
>>>> You may ask them to change the photo collage in the home page it will
>>>> be good (http://programs.icfoss.org/omw/)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ~/Regards
>>>> >Ganesh.H
>>>> >SPACE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Anivar Aravind
>>>> <anivar.aravind at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > ICFOSS changed the name of event as "Workshop on Free Mobile
>>>> Platforms" as
>>>> > per the community feedback
>>>> >
>>>> > http://programs.icfoss.org/omw/about.html
>>>> >
>>>> > Also received following mail
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> > From: R. Srini <srini at icfoss.in>
>>>> > Date: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 5:28 PM>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Dear Anivar,
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks very much for informing us about the issues noted in web site
>>>> of the
>>>> > event for mobile developers. We have made corrections as appropriate
>>>> to
>>>> > positioning of the event.
>>>> >
>>>> > Please check the web site for updates done in this regard. Would
>>>> appreciate
>>>> > if you communicate this among the community. As we have been
>>>> struggling to
>>>> > find presentations on Replicant, and Ubuntu from the respective
>>>> project
>>>> > teams, I suggest that we request the Free Software community to
>>>> volunteer
>>>> > presentations. Hope you will be able to pass this request to
>>>> appropriate
>>>> > communities immediately.
>>>> >
>>>> > Looking forward to have a very fruitful event for the Free Mobile
>>>> Platform
>>>> > enthusiasts and developers in our region.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks.
>>>> > Srini
>>>> >
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>>>
>>>
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>>> Regards,
>>> Hrishi | Stultus
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>> regards
>>
>> Nikhil Nambiar.
>>
>> “The revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe. You have to
>> make it fall.”
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