[smc-discuss] [fsug-tvm] Free Software and Open Source (was Re:Open Mobile Workshop)

Sun Mar 2 04:45:48 PST 2014

Well said Ashik and Hrishi..
On Mar 2, 2014 3:34 PM, "Ashik Salahudeen" <aashiks at aashiks.in> wrote:

>
> I believe Hrishi’s email was a tongue in the cheek response to Ganesh’s
> previous email. Having said that, I have a few points to make here.
>
> I thought when someone (Ganesh, with "SPACE" in his email signature)
> levels accusations at a self sustaining organization like SMC (who has
> walked the walk - writing and releasing Free and Open Source Software )
> they'd have examined their backyard a bit more closely.
>
> Nikhil, are you saying that SPACE is not a collaborator of the WoMoz
> program ? Or that SPACE has no idea someone used their logo ? Or that the
> organizers of that program made an announcement without your knowledge ?
>
> Because i found this :
>
> http://blog.mozillakerala.org/2014/02/empower-womoz/
>
> Quoting :
>
> <quote>
>
>  The event was handled by 4 volunteers from SPACE and 2 volunteers from
> Mozilla Kerala.
>
> Arun M (Executive Director | SPACE, Kerala)
>
> Nikhil C M (Project Manager | SPACE, Kerala)
>
> Indu Reghunath (Senior Software Engineer | SPACE, Kerala)
>
> Sairath N (Software Engineer | SPACE, Kerala)
>
> </quote>
>
> Are you saying that you guys have no idea about this program as well ?
> Because I think its your name there.
>
> Further (to stoop down to Ganesh's level - to make arguments and berate
> and belittle programs that benefit community) - ""The mission of the WoMoz
> Project, “is to promote and involve more women in the FLOSS world”, and in
> Mozilla’s terms,  it is to increase the awareness of Mozilla’s programs and
> web issues that regard to women, especially, regarding the privacy of women
> using the Internet.""
>
> In summary -
>
> * Ganesh, you have  some serious questions to ask yourself about your
> employer, and possibly to your employer. It is entirely up to you though.
> * Ganesh/Nikhil/SPACE do make a clear stance and stick to it. Make FOSS,
> rather than make war about terminology. Open Source is a synonym for Free
> Software, at least in Kerala. What you can do for organizations like SMC,
> WMoz and Mozilla is far more important.
>
> --
>
> Aashik
>
>
> On 2 March 2014 16:19, nikhil nambiar <nikhil at space-kerala.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear Hrishi,
>>
>> SPACE is not aware of this programme. We will check with the organisers.
>> SPACE will not promote any programme with Open Source ideology or
>> propitiatory software.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Hrishi <hrishi.kb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Ganesh,
>>>
>>> when I saw this poster on mozilla kerala's official facebook page[1] [I
>>> am attaching the poster with this mail], this discussion came into my mind.
>>>
>>> Since this is co-hosted by your Employer SPACE,  an organization started
>>> to promote Free Software, i thought about posting it on same thread. (
>>> excuse me if SPACE is only putting a stall on the program venue ) Take a
>>> look at the technologies and tools covered in the event. It is all about
>>> Open source(with trade marked logo) .
>>>
>>> The real issue is about the perspective. Here I don't see Libre or
>>> Swathanthra perspective which SPACE suppose to endorse. And this is
>>> happening as a part of SPACE's 10th anniversary programs which
>>> is inaugurated by none other than RMS. On the inaugural speech he clearly
>>> spelled out the differences between the movements . SPACE is not willing to
>>> take ethical position for free software shared by RMS on his speech.
>>>
>>> The poster is all about Open Source,  there is nothing about Free
>>> software and Free software movement.  and why github is there? they should
>>> teach git , not github - afaik most of the code used to run github is
>>> Proprietary. (or they could have introduced gitlabs or gitorious). The term
>>> Open itself it's eliminating Freedom. like you said - it will be good to do
>>> a homework study in our future programs on before becoming part of any
>>> program.;).
>>>
>>> This mail is not about teaching open source. - its not about  teaching
>>> free software. It is about practicing what you are preaching.  If you
>>> are concerned about it . please tell you employer to change the focus of
>>> this event .
>>>
>>> [1] - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=527731364011923&set=a.399607260157668.1073741828.290667851051610&type=1&theater><https://etherpad.mozilla.org/ep/search?query=527731364011923&set>
>>> =527731364011923&set<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=527731364011923&set=a.399607260157668.1073741828.290667851051610&type=1&theater><https://etherpad.mozilla.org/ep/search?query=a.399607260157668.1073741828.290667851051610&type>
>>> =a.399607260157668.1073741828.290667851051610&type<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=527731364011923&set=a.399607260157668.1073741828.290667851051610&type=1&theater><https://etherpad.mozilla.org/ep/search?query=1&theater>
>>> =1&theater<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=527731364011923&set=a.399607260157668.1073741828.290667851051610&type=1&theater>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:17 AM, ganesh h <ganeshredcobra at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's a welcome move from ICFOSS. Now its victory from the community
>>>> side and community still has it's strength. In future also community
>>>> members must raise their concerns to prevent misuse of community name.
>>>> You may ask them to change the photo collage in the home page it will
>>>> be good (http://programs.icfoss.org/omw/)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ~/Regards
>>>> >Ganesh.H
>>>> >SPACE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Anivar Aravind
>>>> <anivar.aravind at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > ICFOSS changed the name of event as "Workshop on Free Mobile
>>>> Platforms"  as
>>>> > per the community feedback
>>>> >
>>>> > http://programs.icfoss.org/omw/about.html
>>>> >
>>>> > Also received following mail
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> > From: R. Srini <srini at icfoss.in>
>>>> > Date: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 5:28 PM>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Dear Anivar,
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks very much for informing us about the issues noted in web site
>>>> of the
>>>> > event for mobile developers. We have made corrections as appropriate
>>>> to
>>>> > positioning of the event.
>>>> >
>>>> > Please check the web site for updates done in this regard. Would
>>>> appreciate
>>>> > if you communicate this among the community. As we have been
>>>> struggling to
>>>> > find presentations on Replicant, and Ubuntu from the respective
>>>> project
>>>> > teams, I suggest that we request the Free Software community to
>>>> volunteer
>>>> > presentations. Hope you will be able to pass this request to
>>>> appropriate
>>>> > communities immediately.
>>>> >
>>>> > Looking forward to have a very fruitful event for the Free Mobile
>>>> Platform
>>>> > enthusiasts and developers in our region.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks.
>>>> > Srini
>>>> >
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Regards,
>>> Hrishi | Stultus
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>>
>> Nikhil Nambiar.
>>
>> “The revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe. You have to
>> make it fall.”
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