[smc-discuss] Rendering issue: ചെയ്വാൻ

[Rajeesh K Nambiar]

On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Santhosh Thottingal
>> <santhosh.thottingal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 03/23/2014 02:05 PM, Rajeesh K Nambiar wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Santhosh, Baiju - It's either or. We can't support both renderings, at
>>>> least straightforward. Revert the commit?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, perhaps a generic font like Meera is not enough to support all kind of
>>> rendering appearing in historic books. I dont think we can support all
>>> ligature variations in a same font easily.
>>
>> So, what would be the most sensible default rendering for യ + ് + വ ?
>>
>> 1. യ + VA symbol
>> 2. യ + ് + വ (placed horizontally)
>> 3. യ + വ (in stacked form)
>>

I am more inclined to revert the patch in question (ie, remove 3.
stacked form). If we keep it, there is no way to achieve rendering in
option 1. Rendering for option 2 can be achieved by placing ZWNJ in
between.
That said, what is language experts' opinion?

>> Since 3rd form is a traditional typography, let's ignore that.  Then
>> only, two choices remains.
>> Out of these two, which one is more predominant in usage ? How do we find that ?
>> Or is it the right way to think to find the choice for rendering ?
>
> I had a quick look at the Malayalam wikipedia dump to see what people
> are expecting:
> http://dumps.wikimedia.org/mlwiki/20140204/mlwiki-20140204-pages-meta-current.xml.bz2
> I couldn't find any single instance where the first 1st rendering
> choice is required.
> In the PRI 263, the author is quoting Madhavikkutti's "Neermathalam poothappol".
> Santhosh has taken this as a testcase for Meera & Rachana.
>
> Can someone please provide a better example where the first rendering
> choice is required ?
>
> Here are few samples from the Malayalam Wikipedia dump. I searched for
> three combinations
> as given below:
>
> -------------------------------------
> യ + ് + വ
>
> സായ്വർ
> നെയ്വള്ളി
> തായ്വഴിയുടെ
> വായ്വശം
> മെയ്വഴക്കത്തിലും
> പ്രയ്വറ്റ്
> കയ്വശമുള്ള
> -------------------------------------
> യ + ് + ZWNJ + വ
>
> സായ്‌വർ
> വിശേഷഭൂഷണമായ്‌വരും
> വൈഷമ്യമായ്‌വരും
> മെയ്‌വഴക്കം
> തായ്‌വഴി
> വായ്‌വട്ടം
> കായ്‌വരും
> ജയ്‌വന്ത്
> ചായ്‌വര
> നായ്‌വർഗ്ഗത്തോടാണു്
> ഡെയ്‌വർഡൺ
> ഹേയ്‌വർത്ത്
> പാപമുണ്ടായ്‌വരും
> മായ്‌വന്ദ്
> ഒയ്‌വത്തില്ലൈ
> പായ്‌വട്ടികളിൽ
> ആയ്‌വരങ്കം
> കൈയ്‌വയ്പോടെ
> ഡെയ്‌വർഡുമായി
> പായ്‌വഞ്ചിയിൽ
> കയ്‌വശം
> അയ്‌വന
> പോയ്‌വരാമമ്മ
> -------------------------------------
> യ + ് + ZWJ + വ
>
> തേയ്‍വാളി
> ചായ്‍വ്
> ചെയ്‍വാൻ
> -------------------------------------
>
> Regards,
> Baiju M
>


-- 
Cheers,
Rajeesh